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Lin Suizei
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Posted - 2013.02.24 09:59:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:I call bullshit on the not having a queue... pretty much whenever I look in a heavy manufacturing area, its flooded with VERY long queues..
Does E-UNI offer a forum posting class, or did you just flunk it?
Have a read of the first post you quoted again, and think about what you just said. The problem isn't as clear-cut as "hurr durr manufacturing queues in Sobaseki", please stop treating it as if it were so simple.
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Lin Suizei
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Posted - 2013.02.25 06:57:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:7.5 B profit for null sec
4.8 B profit for high sec
So why isn't nullsec an industrial utopia, filled with budding young industrialists protected by the Great Blue Donut?
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:04:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:20 something pages worth of badposting... "ignore context."
Taste the irony. You've tried to isolate the issues facing nullsec industry as one of profit margins, without considering the greater opportunity costs and quality-of-life issues faced by not-highsec pilots on a daily basis.
Making the issue solely about numbers highlights how much of the issue you are ignoring with each post you make.
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Posted - 2013.02.27 00:41:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Hell, in terms of actually equalizing high sec and null sec's production costs the amount of nerfing to high sec required is actually pretty minimal at worst.
It's not about just "equalising costs" - you can't assign an ISK-value to the safety, convenience and near-immunity to PvP (both in terms of large-scale long-term invasion, and a small fleet disrupting your not-highsec mining op) afforded by highsec mechanics.
A numbers argument isn't going to work.
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Lin Suizei
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:58:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Once the jarheads overcome their cultural bias against people living in their space who aren't shooting things all day, industry in nullsec will be much healthier.
You know that if industralists use their social skills and actually make friends with people, they're more than welcome in not-highsec - and generally people will pitch in to help make their lives easier right?
I really don't think this "cultural bias" is a problem, though posts with misinformation like yours contribute to the false perception that it is.
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Posted - 2013.02.27 04:04:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:new players wouldn't have a place in industry everything ends up more expensive while screwing everyone not in those border regions for something that the industry system was never meant to be balanced around.
Why should a new player be able to compete in industrial enterprise with players who have invested ISK, time and effort into building well-oiled industrial empires? This is like saying a new miner in a Retriever should be able to compete with a seasoned bot-aspirant with 100+ accounts and Orca boosts - he shouldn't.
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:49:00 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:Prices are guaranteed to rise on all items if production plummets. And industry would then center around whichever systems still had public slots. With competition for those slots increased exponentially, a player like me would have no choice but to use my research POS for manufacturing.
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And there's no way everyone in the game will be able to grind 300 mill isk/ month to power a large pos just to operate labs AND industry simultaneously.
Wouldn't this state of affairs be fantastic? New players might then be incentivized to pool together their resources to buy, maintain and defend a medium or large POS to do highsec research and industry, creating player-generated content that actually involves multiple (actively engaged) players instead of one dude "grinding" pos fuel costs every month so he can continue to play by himself, shielded from non-consensual pewing by CONCORD's skirt!
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Lin Suizei
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:17:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:You want more industrial targets, gotta give the industrial targets a reason to stay out there more long term anyways.
Why would any industralists move to not-highsec under your scheme, if they can just stay in highsec and continue as they were?
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:09:00 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:No amount of incentivization will prod risk-averse players to suddenly become risk-takers. This song has been sung before and we all should know the lyrics. The issue isn't the wealth - it's the security.
Isn't this fantastic? If it's not the wealth, but the security - then let's nerf highsec PvE until highsec's reward is consistent with highsec's risk. The players who absolutely refuse to leave highsec and the safety of CONCORD can stay there and do as they please, while other players who are motivated by rewards and funtimes will finally have a reason to leave CONCORD's embrace, once highsec doesn't offer a risk-reward ratio that eclipses everywhere else in New Eden.
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Posted - 2013.02.28 09:25:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:You're the only one I've seen that says this. Almost everyone else its been the opposite. In fact, beyond the jump freighter costs, most have been saying to balance out the costs between null and high sec where production costs the same or is cheaper in null sec to encourage producing in null sec rather than exporting from high sec. Couple want to take it further and make it where its viable to import from deep null sec into high sec, so now I find myself a little confused.
Why not live outside of highsec for 3 months (and no lowsec border systems where you can just jump the gate back to highsec), and try to set up an industrial operation? You'll quickly realize what quality-of-life issues and costs people are talking about.
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